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JASON626 · Feb 05, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Simple remove the ability to tie, like in football playoffs.

Nicah San · Feb 05, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

hope they will give the reward of prediction in some days
and if the prediction will be cancel becauze them..
we all then have a sort of punishment then, i don't hope it,
reward of prediction is very welcome now after the canthan newyear thing

R.Shayne · Feb 05, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Spaced Invader

Guess this means the update will come next Thursday, not today.

Linsey's Journal page mentions today or tomorrow for the monthly update.Linsey's Journal

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Originally Posted by Linsey

Speaking of the Monthly Maintenance Build, we also worked today on getting everything ready and over to the staging servers for this build. Unfortunately, some technical issues with those servers prevented us from finishing the testing/bug fixing which is needed before we can push it Live as planned. If the troubles persist for too long into tomorrow we may need to push the build back to Friday so that the proper testing passes can be completed and the content is signed off as ready to publish. These little bumps do crop up on occasion.

I would say something about information, community manager, and who has what job but it may be taken as a flame.

crazybanshee · Feb 05, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I'd heard about this before. Most of the people talking about it were knowledgable in the gvg scene, and they didn't seem terribly upset by it. Amused, sure. Granted, this was a small sample of people. Obviously most forms of pvp are broken and can be manipulated easily (rolling hb anyone? syncing ra?) So I'm curious what the punishment will be. Speaking personally, without knowing any of the people involved or being at all active in gvg, I could see a slap on the wrist punishment (temporary ban, unable to compete in the next mat, something like that) but I hope anet doesn't get overzealous and try to make an example of them for doing something that is done in pretty much every other kind of pvp.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Feb 05, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

With the amount of "effort" Anet have put into working with rawr, officially AND unofficially, which btw the way wasnt as cloak and dagger as some might have thought it was, it would be reasonable to expct that ENTIRE relationship to be reviewed to the point of possible termination IN ALL WAYS.

In any other "business" environment, flagrant abuse of the system that has been evident for some time now would by default cost the beneficaries of these illicit profits the whole deal. All favor lost and business ties severed.

When THE Elite Guild has developed such a blantant disrespect for not only the game but the people that have provided them with so much, however that may have been attained, then I personally dont have a problem with a complete excommunication.

Many will argue the toss over "it was merely a conga and a tie" but this really is bigger picture stuff and in my opinion theres a lot riding on this. Reputations are at stake. Businesses suffer when their reputations are sullied by doubts of insider dealing, fraudulent actions/behaviour or complicity in rigging.

The ice is thin enough, time to make a point that the game does have a continuing value and is being administered in the interests of the majority not a disrespectful minority.

Gun Pierson · Feb 05, 2009, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by pansy malfoy

[rawr] wasn't in there THAT late; I made my predictions on the Friday before like I always do, and they were there. Anet isn't to blame if you predict on Monday, and then whine because teams qualify at the last minute :P

I was not whining, I'm trying to have some free 'gamble' fun by betting on the top pvp teams and thought they all registered the same day or something and that they played in a fair and waterproof system. Anyway, gonna take your advice and predict the Friday before.

Tx Arkantos for the info.

Painbringer · Feb 05, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Is the Video of the conga line on U-tube, yet?

Anyway force the members involved to where a disgrace dunce caps as head gear and make there capes say “I’m with stupid” on it.

Seriously this will just add more eyes to the playing field for tournaments from now on. Which maybe is not a bad idea.

Man I wish I caught it on observe mode.

Ben-A-BoO · Feb 05, 2009, 07:32 PM // 19:32

So what is the update on Tournament Rules Decision, I wonder?
They announced "consquences" on the wiki talk pages a week ago or something.
How about some real news?

Curious how they gonna explain how somebody can violate the tournament rules if they were none announced for January 2009 ...

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Originally Posted by GuildWars.com

Last updated on July 23, 2008. These updated rules apply to all 2008 Tournament Series tournaments running from May 2008 through December 2008.

And more important then any "consquences" is definitely how they will prevent this issue happening in the future or even for HB where ladder manipulation was and is daily practice.

2cents

AsyaMordina · Feb 05, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

One of the first things Anet needs to do is to provide the 2009 series rules. I opened a support ticket about this last month and got kind of blown off. As much as I dislike what was done, there are NO rules to violate and as such there should be no recourse.

From the rules page.
"Last updated on July 23, 2008. These updated rules apply to all 2008 Tournament Series tournaments running from May 2008 through December 2008."

As a solution, I do like the suggestion that in a tie both teams loose.

Winterclaw · Feb 05, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by JASON626

Simple remove the ability to tie, like in football playoffs.

QFT.

If a tie is allowed, don't QQ if people tie for whatever reason.

Arkantos · Feb 05, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

QFT.

If a tie is allowed, don't QQ if people tie for whatever reason.

Tying is one thing, intentionally tying so you and the opposing guild can make it further in a tournament is another.

scoopins · Feb 05, 2009, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by timebandit

Curious how they gonna explain how somebody can violate the tournament rules if they were none announced for January 2009 ...

Obviously those rules would carry over until a new set is put out.

CronkTheImpaler · Feb 05, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

correct me if im wrong but wasnt it just last month in HB that the final was decided by two friends that ran joke builds??? winner was pre-determined in that case correct? in that instance it was all tee heee yuk yuk funny stuff right?

then why is this such an earth shattering event. if a-net wishes to slap a little hurt on the offending parties so be it. basically the only people this really burns is the predictors. Rawr is not short of prestige' or loot, so how can ya really hurt them.

In the end this all seems like a non-starter. just make the rules of competition more linear and clear. IE hey if you F**K around and deminish the state of the game you are gone!! all matches should be played to win and when it all shakes out everything is cool.

Cronk

pigdestroyer · Feb 05, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

just ban their accounts, they are disrespecting the community.

Arkantos · Feb 05, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by CronkTheImpaler

correct me if im wrong but wasnt it just last month in HB that the final was decided by two friends that ran joke builds??? winner was pre-determined in that case correct? in that instance it was all tee heee yuk yuk funny stuff right?

then why is this such an earth shattering event. if a-net wishes to slap a little hurt on the offending parties so be it. basically the only people this really burns is the predictors. Rawr is not short of prestige' or loot, so how can ya really hurt them.

In the end this all seems like a non-starter. just make the rules of competition more linear and clear. IE hey if you F**K around and deminish the state of the game you are gone!! all matches should be played to win and when it all shakes out everything is cool.

Cronk

Last months HB finals had a prage warrior against an assassin with standard builds. I know one of the finals consisted of two players running joke builds, but they actually played. There's no rule against running joke builds.

Also, if you haven't noticed, ANet doesn't really care about hero battles.

Reflect · Feb 05, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Ban bot guild's player from participating in next ATS - i'd say Dishonor for 2 months(for all Accounts using theeir IP as well).
Remove their trim.
Remove tie from guild battles....

AsyaMordina · Feb 05, 2009, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by scoopins

Obviously those rules would carry over until a new set is put out.

Not when Anet put it in writing that the rules have an expiration period, December 2008.

If you get caught driving with an expired license, you're gonna get a ticket.

Ben-A-BoO · Feb 05, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by CronkTheImpaler

correct me if im wrong but wasnt it just last month in HB that the final was decided by two friends that ran joke builds???

No it was the November finals ... you can still find those epic builds on GuildWars.com:

Skill Usage Charts Nov 2008 HB Finals

CronkTheImpaler · Feb 05, 2009, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Arkantos you kind of made my point. i wasnt trying to muddy things one way or the other. But whether HB is dead a joke or whatever, is irrelevent. It does exist and people do compete in it. All PvP is done in the spirit of competition. person vs person. who is the best and so on. if two people run joke builds thats fine i couldnt care less really. (i dont do the Tourny)

However the two people that participated discussed in the forumns how the result was already determined more or less. i guess what im tryin to get accrossed in a really bad way is in the HB case the results were pretty much already known and in the GvG case .... well clearly they knew the outcome in advance.

I just think if PvP'ers are the Purist gamers they seem to be then why would they do this? in any PvP event that involves people making predictions where rewards are involved integrity should be in there somewhere.

lol what if all the yankees batted opposite handed.. i mean there still playing right? Lets let Nascar drive in reverse. they would still be completeing the race. Maybe lmao.

whole thing smells

Cronk

Jenn · Feb 05, 2009, 08:22 PM // 20:22

I don't think anyone needs to go overboard with punishment. Just "undo" what was done, and let that be it. Don't award the cape, champ points or reward points & other prizes. I don't see why anyone would feel the need for something extreme like banning.